He played in 160 games nine times, leading the league 6 times. He still holds the National League record for Consecutive games played. He got 200 hits 6 times, 2 in which he led the league. He had 100+ RBI's 5 times. He hit over .300 7 times. He is one of 71 players to play in 10 All-Star Games. Only 5 players above Steve Garvey are not in the Hall-of-Fame (Pete Rose, Elston Howard, Mark McGwire, Del Crandall & Bill Freehan). He started 9 games, something only 25 people have done. Everybody else who has started 9 All-Star Games is in the Hall-of-Fame or on their way.
Honestly, I look at these stats and I don't see why he's not in. His wife wrote a tell-all book. He fathered some kids outside his marriage. He would not be the first Hall-of-Famer to live a tumultuous life (Ty Cobb, Dennis Eckersley, Enos Slaughter).
The most votes Steve Garvey ever got on a Hall-of-Fame ballot was 42.6% in 1995. The player elected that year was Mike Schmidt. 3 other people received more votes than Garvey: Phil Niekro, Don Sutton & Tony Perez (all Hall-of-Famers). Steve Garvey received more votes that year than Jim Rice & Bruce Sutter, both recently elected in the Hall-of-Fame.
Does Steve Garvey belong in the Hall-of-Fame? I don't see how you can't put him there.
Some of these guys on the Veteran's Committe Ballot, I look at and say "Of course. Hall-of-Famer" or "Really? THIS guy on the ballot?" This is one of those in the middle for me. I can't make much of a decision on this one.
Why he belongs:
1978. The pitcher went 25-3. That's an .893 Winning percentage. That's good enough for #6 on the All-time list for a single season. And nobody higher than him has 20 wins. If that's not good enough for you, he had 16 complete games and 9 shutouts, a 1.74 ERA, beating the second place pitcher by nearly half a run. In the playoffs, he was great, 5-2 and a 3.01 ERA, including being 3-1 in the World Series with a 1.69 ERA. 5 Gold Gloves is also pretty impressive. Only 9 pitchers have reached that mark. He finished in the Cy Young voting 6 times. 4 of those times, he was in the top 5, including winning it in 1978.
One thing stands out to me. His career winning percentage is .651. That means that he gave your team the best bet for winning. This is good for #26 on the all-time list. This is better than Letfy Gomez, Dizzy Dean & Jim Palmer. To me, wins and winning percentage still mean something. He finished in the top 10 in ERA 6 times, leading twice. Top 10 in wins 7 times, leading twice. Top 10 in Winning percentage and strikeouts 7 times each.
Why he doesn't belong:
Guidry was magic for a few years. I guess what kills him is he wasn't so much magic after those years. He finished his career with 170 wins, good enough for #178 on the All-Time list. If the wins make him eligible, then Tim Wakefield and Jamie Moyer are leaping for joy right now. His career ERA was 3.29, good enough for #287 on the all-time list. His innings pitched were #260. His complete games were tied for #424. Shutouts were #161. None of those numbers really stand out to me. To me, a Hall-of-Famer is higher than that in comparison to other players.
4 All-Star games are good, but don't scream out to me Hall-of-Famer. Also, according to www.baseball-reference.com, comparative players include Lefty Gomez, Sandy Koufax (!) and Roy Halladay. But remember, Halladay's career isn't over, neither is CC Sabathia's or Roy Oswalt's.
The other damning stain on his career is the previous Hall-of-Fame voting. The year he received the highest percentage of votes was 2000. Carlton Fisk & Tony Perez were elected that year. Guidry received 8.8% of the vote, good enough for 17th place that year. Only the top 6 are now in the Hall-of-Fame (Fisk, Perez, Rice, Carter, Sutter & Gossage). That means that 11 players deserved to get in the Hall-of-Fame more than Guidry. Those 11 players should be elected before him, according to the voters. What's changed?
I'm still in the middle. Yes, Guidry had some great years, but I don't know if he was THAT great.
Tommy John
Name for me a pitcher who gets mentioned more on ESPN than Tommy John. Cy Young? Tommy John is quickly becoming a name synonymous with baseball. Now, let's be honest. Tommy John is known for a surgery that was performed on him. He is no greater than Lou Gehrig is for being diagnosed with ALS (commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease). Maybe the doctor who performed the surgery should be in the Hall-of-Fame. Why not? But this is not about him. This one is about Tommy John.
Why he belongs...
288 wins. Only one other eligible pitcher has more wins that is not in the Hall-of-Fame (HOF)-the mysterious Bobby Mathews. (Can somebody explain to me why Mathews is not in the HOF?) Yes, he played for 26 seasons. His debut game was in September of 1963. To put that in perspective, that is nearly 16 1/2 years before I was born. His last game was May 25, 1989, five days short of my 9th birthday. 288 wins. That's good enough for 26. Wanna know who he has more wins than? Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins, Jim Palmer, Bob Feller, Bob Gibson, Juan Marichal. (Not just HOF'ers, but some of the greatest of all-time.)
He is #56 in Games Pitched. He is one of the few starters in the sea of relief pitchers. That's more games than Warren Spahn, Steve Carlton & Pud Galvin. Only 19 pitchers saw more innings. If you look at that list, only two qualified pitchers haven't made it (There goes that Bobby Mathews again. And Bert Blyleven who should go in this year.)
On the all-time strikeout list, he's #50. That's better than Jim Palmer, Grover Cleveland Alexander & Dazzy Vance. When it comes to Games Started, he's #10. Only two pitchers higher than him are not in the HOF (Roger Clemens & Greg Maddux). Matter of fact, you have to go down to #17 before you find a pitcher who qualifies but is not in the HOF (Jim Kaat, but Jamie Moyer will be a different story for a different time).
He's #195 on the complete game list, which may not seem impressive until you remember that the reliever was coming into play more in his career. Looking at his shutout numbers, he is #26. That's Roger Clemens numbers. That's above Whitey Ford, Addie Joss, Phil Neikro, Robin Roberts & Red Ruffing.
Baseball-reference.com compares him with Robin Roberts, Fergie Jenkins, Bert Blyleven, Early Wynn, Burleigh Grimes, Tom Glavine, Don Sutton & Eppa Rixey. Those are all either in the HOF or on their way there (Blyleven is a forgone conclusion and Glavine is not yet eligible).
I know what you're thinking. "So the guy played a lot of years and complied a bunch of stats. So what?" There were 3 20-win seasons, being in the top 10 6 times. He was in the top 10 in Winning% 9 times, leading twice. He was in the top 1o in Walks/Innings Pitched 12 times, leading once. He was in the top 10 in shutouts 7 times, leading 3 times. In 26 seasons, he only finished in the Top 10 in walks and earned runs once. He also finished Top 10 in HR's/IP 12 times, leading 3 times. He also finished in the Top 10 in losses twice. He finished top 10 in ERA 6 times. And to top it all off, he finished in the Cy Young balloting 4 times, coming in 2nd place twice.
How does that not scream Hall-of-Famer?
Why he doesn't belong...
4 All-Star games don't look good to HOF voters.
While he did give up few walks, he gave up quite a few hits. (#10 on the All-time List, but you have to go #16 before you see somebody not in the Hall, except for that pesky Bobby Mathews.)
Honestly, I have no idea why he isn't in.
Tommy John is indeed one of the greatest pitchers of his era and a truly great player. It's embarrassing that he's not in the Hall-of-Fame.
Al Oliver
I must preface this by saying I am an Arlington native. That city's history can be divided into "Before Nolan Ryan" and "After Nolan Ryan." A lot of press comes the way of the teams post-Nolan Ryan. There were indeed some great players: Pudge Rodriguez, Juan Gonzalez, Kenny Rogers, Rafael Palmeiro, Will Clark. But it's hard to remember that pre-Nolan Ryan, there were some great players, too-Toby Harrah, Gaylord Perry (HOF), Fergie Jenkins (HOF), Jim Bibby, Mike Hargrove (Rookie of the Year), Jeff Burroughs (MVP), Buddy Bell, Bert Blyleven (Future HOF), Mickey Rivers and Al Oliver.
2368 games played, good enough for #86 on the All-Time List. 9049 At bats, good enough for #64. 1189 runs good enough for #171. While not too impressive, it's still more than Pie Traynor, Yogi Berra & Chuck Klein. 2743 hits, #52 on the All-Time List. There are only two people eligible for the HOF who are higher than Oliver who aren't in: Harold Baines (who is still on the ballot) & Vada Pinson (your guess is as good as mine). 1326 RBI's, #88. That's more than Paul Waner, Paul Molitor & teammate Roberto Clemente.
The biggest case for Oliver's enshrinement is his career doubles numbers, 529, #32 on the All-Time List. Of the 31 players higher than Oliver, only 8 are not in the HOF: Pete Rose, Craig Biggio, Barry Bonds, Luis Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro, Pudge Rodriguez, Jeff Kent & Manny Ramirez, none of which are eligible (This is Palmeiro's first year of eligibility). Al Oliver has more doubles than 3 of the greatest hands-down players of all-time: Frank Robinson, Ted Williams & Willie Mays. Those are some names to be better than.
So he piled some impressive career numbers. What about his individual seasons? Well, let me get to those. Al Oliver was a 7-time All-Star, starting in 1. He won the batting title in 1982, becoming the first and one of two Expos in history to lead the league in batting average. (Tim Raines is the other one.) 9 times in the top 10 in batting average. 9 times in the top 10 in hits, including leading in 1982. Top 1o in doubles 9 times, finishing in the top 3 7 times, leading twice. RBI crown in 1982. He was in the balloting for MVP 10 times, finishing as high as #3 in 1982.
He won a World Series in 1971 and made the playoffs 4 times in an era where only 4 teams made it, not 4 from each league.
Baseball-reference.com lists similar players such as Zack Wheat, Joe Medwick, Enos Slaughter (gotta love that irony) and Roberto Clemente (!), all HOF'ers.
Let's face it. Doubles are not sexy. Chicks dig the long ball. Oliver was a great doubles hitter, but home runs, not so much. At 219, he is at #255. While it's not bad, it's just not what the HOF looks at (even though he's tied with Jim Bottomley).
Oliver also always seemed to be shadowed by other players. In '72, he finished 7th in MVP voting, behind Willie Stargell. In '73, he finished 23rd, behind Willie Stargell. In '74, he finished 7th, the highest Pirate. In 76, he was #12, the highest Pirate. In '77, he was #16, behind Dave Parker & Bill Robinson. In '78, he was #14, the highest Ranger. In '80, he was #11, the highest Ranger. In '81, #16, the highest Ranger. In '82, tied for #3 the highest Expo. In '83, finished #19 behind Andre Dawson & Tim Raines.
In 1991, Al Oliver faced the BBWAA for the first time. He received 4.3% of the vote. What has changed?
So this is a lot of gray area. I think, gun to my head, yes, he is a Hall-of-Famer. The guy was a prolific hitter and a great player in his time.
This is a confusing one here. I don't know exactly where I stand on this one.
Why he belongs...
We have some impressive career numbers here.
2456 games (#62 on All-time list), #14 in appearances as a catcher
8680 At Bats (#87 on All-time list)
2472 Hits (#96) That's more than Mickey Mantle, Lloyd Waner & Eddie Mathews
483 Doubles (#68) More than Brooks Robinson, Reggie Jackson & Joe Morgan
1389 RBI's (#71) More than Johnny Bench, Duke Snider & Roberto Clemente
8 All-Star Games
Finished in the MVP Balloting 7 times
Those are some impressive numbers. He had some good seasons. 100 RBI's 3 times. .300 average 8 times.
Top 10 in Batting Average 6 times
Top 10 in Hits 4 times
Top 10 in Doubles 8 times
Top 10 in Doubles 6 times
Baseball-reference.com lists similar players as Carlton Fisk, Gary Carter, Joe Cronin, Yogi Berra & Ryne Sandberg, all Hall-of-Famers.
Why he doesn't belong...
Manny Sanguillen, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk. Out of the 7 years, Ted Simmons was on the MVP ballot, Simmons' highest finish was 6th place. Not only that, only in one year (1977) was he the highest catcher in the ballot. Not only was he not considered one of the top players, he wasn't even the top at his position. He was the highest player on his team 3 out of 7 ballots.
While he had good seasons, the categories he ever led the league in was Intentional Walks in '76 & '77 and Grounding Into Double Plays in 1973.
The only year Simmons was on the HOF ballot was 1994. That year he was in 26th place for the voting, good enough for 3.7%.
Simmons has one thing going for him. He was a catcher. But even then, he wasn't the greatest catcher of his era. My vote is a no.
Rusty Staub
So it's come down to my final one, Rusty Staub. This is a player I never got to see play, so all I have to go on are his numbers and first hand accounts.
The biggest argument 2951 Games played. That sounds "meh" until you put it in perspective. That's #12 on the All-time list. Everybody above him is a HOFer or should be (Pete Rose & Barry Bonds). You have to go to #19 before you find somebody who is not in the HOF (Harold Baines) or shook his finger at Congress (Hi, Rafael), #28 until you find somebody not currently on the ballot not in the HOF (Graig Nettles).
9720 At Bats. That's #33 on the All-Time List. Staub is the highest player on the list not in the HOF or the current HOF ballot.
1189 Runs. While not exceptional, still good enough for #171.
2716 Hits. That's #57. Wanna know who has more hits that's not in the HOF? Harold Baines, Vada Pinson, Roberto Alomar & Al Oliver. With the exception of Pinson, all others are on the ballot this year. That's also more than Ted Williams, Jimmie Foxx & Reggie Jackson.
499 Doubles. That's #52. Mark Grace is the only eligible baseball player not in the HOF or not currently on the ballot. That's more doubles than Al Kaline, Mel Ott & Lou Brock.
292 Home Runs. While that's #134 now, remember that there are 85 players above Rusty Staub who played after 1986. Less than 5 years ago, Staub was a lot closer to the top. This players is getting compared with a bunch of juiced-up roadheads, and that's simply not fair.
1466 RBI's, #54. That's tied with Ed Delahanty. That's more than Eddie Mathews, Yogi Berra & Robin Yount.
1255 Walks, #48. While walks are not necessarily a big plus (ask Eddie Yost), it still shows his ability to reach base.
So while those are good career numbers, what about his single seasons? Top 10 in runs twice. Top 10 in hits, batting average & RBI's 4 times each. Top 10 in doubles & walks 6 times each.
Why he doesn't belong...
6 All-Star Games (1 start) are good, but not great.
He finished in MVP voting 7 times, never finishing higher than 5th.
In HOF voting, the highest percentage he ever received was 7.9%. What's changed?
I think Rusty Staub should someday be a Hall-of-Famer. He's just waiting for a few people at his level to get in to prove his worth.